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« Gay Marriage: Take Back Wisconsin | Main | No Minoso »

March 01, 2006

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Chris Dols

86% of Mississippi voters passed that state's gay marriage ban when it shared the ballot with the '04 presidential race. While a good chuck of that 86% are surely hard bigots that will never change their mind, an even bigger chunk has never heard a defense of gay rights. Who's to blame for that? Maybe if John Kerry and the rest of the so-called "opposition" party actually supported gay marriage - let alone publicly advocated for it - our task in Wisconsin would be a little easier today. Instead Kerry and Edwards tacked right and supported the previous ban in Missouri.

"Hold your nose and vote for Kerry" has left us with years of work undoing what his campaign did: legitimized the war in Iraq and the attack on Gay Marriage among other things.

Eva Young

What's interesting is the two identified PACs pushing this in Minnesota both claim not to be "homosexual hate groups"....

http://www.mnmarriage.com/About_Us.htm

Minnesota Citizens in Defense of Marriage (MCDM) is a nonpartisan grassroots group of Minnesotans working to pass a state constitutional amendment bill defining marriage as "the union of one man and one woman, with no other relationship being recognized as marriage or its legal equivalent".

MCDM is not a homosexual hate group -- we subscribe to the belief that all human beings are created in the image of God and are entitled to the respect they deserve as members of our society. However, this does not mean that we need to agree with those who would seek to redefine the institution of marriage.

EY: But go listen to their ads targeting 11 democrats and 1 Republican state senator in Minnesota:

http://www.gangof12.com/

That belies what they are saying.

Chris Dols is correct on John Kerry. When Kerry debated Bush, he said "there is no difference between the President and myself on the issue of gay marriage".

So I guess I'd like to know the difference between the Minnesota Citizens in Defense of Marriage or the Wisconsin Marriage Defenders and Fred Phelps of God Hates Fags.

http://www.godhatesfags.com

Eva Young

PS: Democrats lose elections not because they support gay rights, but because Republicans convince centrist voters that gay rights are the most important issue on the Democratic party agenda. Democrats can support gay rights and oppose the neo-Nazi, fanatical right-wing proposals to deny civil liberties and civil rights to gays as long as they make sure it is just one item in a properly balanced agenda.

EY: When voters are convinced that Republicans are a bit too obsessed with gays, this works against the Republican party.

Part of the problem is that Democrats treat gays as an automatic teller machine, and the Republicans try to marginalize gays for political gain. There are some exceptions, but in my view gays were ill-served by both parties in the 2004 elections.

Paul

Chris: you hit it right on the head and your point applies to the last thirty years of decline of progressive politics in this country: too many people have not heard the progressive message. When Democrats started losing elections as Reagan ascended with right-wing talk radio and cable ministers in the 1980's, the Dems choose to withdraw both geographically as well as progressive message. We have to fight in every precinct, every district.

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