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November 06, 2008

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jim guilfoil

Generations are fictions used by scribblers and talking heads to create a myth of change. Obama's use of money to sell himself, to buy enough TVtime to manufacture consent, is part of this 'new page' nonsense. The death knell to campaign finance reform is an issue that cannot be papered over with palaver about 'new generations' etc. Talk to your daughters about taking the money and profit out of electoral politics; about corporate persons and corporate speech creating groupthink and groupspeech that destroys any idea of humanity.
Unless your children and mine start thinking about what makes us human then change will have no meaning, just different stuff.
I haven't heard Obama talk about any of this...in fact he did the opposite.

MattRock

Obama had no choice but to play the game as it has been mandated by prior law. It may not make the ethics of it correct, but how can it? What we have experienced with the advent of the Internet, and Obama's crafted use of it is a reflection on how the world has changed faster than law. The Internet is the crowning achievement of the Industrial Age, and has grown to become the foundation of the Age of Communication.
Mr. Soglin, I appreciate your observation of the divisiveness of your generation, and I agree. I don't, however, believe for one moment that this should marginalize your roll in the next chapter of "The American Story."
The impression I was left with after Pres. Obama's acceptance speech is that he understands that he needs to reach to the root of the American Society to teach us once again what it means to be patriotic. Your example of committing thoughts and ideas to the world via this website is the perfect example of where your generation will be quintessential to the next generation's success.
The fact that that you can and do speak without any impediment beyond than the cost of a website is an example I hope every American with an experience to share will follow.

Rational Observer

"Obama's use of money to sell himself, to buy enough TVtime to manufacture consent, is part of this 'new page' nonsense. The death knell to campaign finance reform is an issue that cannot be papered over with palaver about 'new generations' etc."

Guilfoil's comments make no sense. It is laughable to listen to members of the party which killed legitimate campaign finance reform now bemoan its death. McCain-Feingold had to be watered down sufficiently to pass. What became law was a mere shadow of the original proposal. My friends (to quote Sen. McCain), you can't have it both ways. You didn't want meaningful restrictions on campaign spending -- you killed it -- and the Obama campaign is what you got. His campaign was a once-in-a-lifetime event -- there is no other politician who could collect $600 million in mostly small contributions to mount that kind of campaign. I would like to see one of the right-wing mossbacks try it -- it can't be done.

DW

Speaking as a member of the younger generation, deepest thanks for everything it took to get us to this point. We'll take the struggle from here...

...I hope.

Jack Lohman

Well, don't count on it. See "Did government control really change hands?" at http://tinyurl.com/08control

Oliver Steinberg

From a New Yorker magazine profile on Obama, by William Finnegan, dated May 31, 2004:

[Congresswoman] Jan Schakowsky told me about a recent visit she had made to the White House with a congressional delegation. On her way out, she said, President Bush noticed her "obama" button. "He jumped back, almost literally," she said. "And I knew what he was thinking. So I reassured him it was Obama, with a 'b.' And I explained who he was. The President said, 'Well, I don't know him.' So I just said, 'You will.'"

Brian

Have we not been listening to Obama?

In one of his books he praised Reagan for jacking up the war budget. None of that was orgy of spending was needed; it was all a complete waste. You could have just burned that money and it would have had the same effect on our defense posture: nothing. But Obama thought it was a good thing.

Have you not been listening when Obama has been harsh with the democracies in Venezuela and Ecuador? These countries and the others in Latin America who are following a democratic path are on the right side of history and Obama is about to take them on.

Have you not been listening to the silence of Obama about our 767 military bases? Do we really need that many? Obama thinks so. What a massive waste of taxpayer dollars.

Have you not been listening when Obama says he'll go into Pakistan without permission and without sanction from anyone? Or increasing the military budget (not needed; it should be significantly reduced). Talk about being a cowboy. Reagan would surely approve.

And how does it look for the abused Palestinian people? Not good. Rahm Emanuel as COS? Not exactly a fair and balanced broker when it comes to peace and justice in the Middle East. You can forget about either if it's Rahm and Obama guding Middle East policy. Obama is to the right on Bush on some issues in this area.

Who else has Obama's ear? Oh yeah, Brzezinski, the guy who tricked the Soviets into invading Afghanistan. And he's proud of it! In 1998 he was crowing about making some Muslims angry and saying that was okay because the Russians wrecked their country trying to conquer the Afghani people. (And Obama thinks he can do it?) Except that a few of these angry people got some planes and crashed them into some buildings on 9/11/2001. Blowback, big time. And that's who Obama is listening to? Zbig Brzezinski? Some advice.

And how about when practically the entire world recently rejected a key component of Obama's Cuba policy by a vote of 185 to 3 in condemning the illegal (and immoral) sanctions policy we maintain against the Cuban people? Not exactly much change there.

When Obama starts listening to the people who are right on the issues, like Paul Krugman or Dean Baker or Stephen Zunes---instead of relying on a host of Clinton retreads, free market ideologues, and neo liberal imperialists---then I'll pay attention.

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